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Scooty/Biddy or Wiggler/SB

What should I use?

  • Scooty

    Votes: 16 43.2%
  • Wiggler

    Votes: 21 56.8%

  • Total voters
    37

Jack

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#1
I want to see what the majority thinks, I am on the edge. Right now I'm using DK Wiggler but I am wondering if I should change to Scooty. For stats:

 

Teeples

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#2
I'm a scooty lover personally which means wiggler probably the better choice. I have a tendency to prefer the 2nd option (Mach Bike in wii, Pipe frame in 8u when that was the 2nd)
 

Blue Orange

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#3
At this point, you can't let people tell you what to use. You have to experiment to find out what's more comfortable for you.

You've probably noticed that I use DK Biddy almost exclusively. That's been my go-to since I unlocked it, and many ppl said it was trash online.
 

Tricky

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Founding Member
#4
Right now the metagame is playing with waluigi wiggler, but the lack of speed in scooty is nearly negligible.

Indeed, looking at current WRs, it seems that the few tracks where scooty hasn't appeared yet are mount wario and wario stadium, 2 big frontrunning tracks you could say. yet I tested scooty in these two tracks. and I was surprised by the result as it was neeearly a tie on both. but it's not really what matters the most.

What people are arguing against the scooty is its lack of speed in the first seconds of the track. but... let's buster some myths.
The only place where you might get bumped off if you play against a wario wiggler is on Sunshine Airport's first turn. Tracks like rDKJ, dHC and MW are not what could make a scooty user scared (especially dHC). rWS is a special case because you need to take only the first 2 coins (if you take the 4, you might get fucked too). those 2 coins are enough as you only lose about 0.220s per lap (considering you haven't used the coin that you got in the first itembox). Moreover, I would definitely say that scooty even is needed in some tracks, such as Dragon Driftway, where the NISC is completely free with scooty (and you don't get bumped off at first turn, trust me).

Not only scooty's base speed is not a problem because of its MT stat, but it also have one of the best hitboxes of the game for online mode. you just control your speed in an easier way than the wiggler lets you do so, and you dodge more items. its acceleration stat makes you get your normal speed in less time than a wiggler after you get hurt by a shock (for example). it did save me some times. strats are easier with it most of the time, and some NISCs are free (SGF, dDD). Though, the Mute City's one is kinda harder.

Then, what's the matter..? well it's, in fact, not about the stats, but more like about the confidence you get playing x combo.
Waluigi wiggler is something that everybody uses because it proved to be good enough by many great players. And that's the difference with scooty: not many people gave it a try. Yet there are still very good players using scooty, like Robel, Cynda, Nitroco, Sebas... So, if you don't feel confident about playing with it, then don't pick it. Otherwise, just keep in mind that it does not suck and you'll do good with it.

But don't forget that changing wiggler for scooty won't make your skills highly increase. Even if it does, it'll take some time. The differences are so negligible that it's just about the... confidence. But I already said that, right?
 

Jack

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#5
Right now the metagame is playing with waluigi wiggler, but the lack of speed in scooty is nearly negligible.

Indeed, looking at current WRs, it seems that the few tracks where scooty hasn't appeared yet are mount wario and wario stadium, 2 big frontrunning tracks you could say. yet I tested scooty in these two tracks. and I was surprised by the result as it was neeearly a tie on both. but it's not really what matters the most.

What people are arguing against the scooty is its lack of speed in the first seconds of the track. but... let's buster some myths.
The only place where you might get bumped off if you play against a wario wiggler is on Sunshine Airport's first turn. Tracks like rDKJ, dHC and MW are not what could make a scooty user scared (especially dHC). rWS is a special case because you need to take only the first 2 coins (if you take the 4, you might get fucked too). those 2 coins are enough as you only lose about 0.220s per lap (considering you haven't used the coin that you got in the first itembox). Moreover, I would definitely say that scooty even is needed in some tracks, such as Dragon Driftway, where the NISC is completely free with scooty (and you don't get bumped off at first turn, trust me).

Not only scooty's base speed is not a problem because of its MT stat, but it also have one of the best hitboxes of the game for online mode. you just control your speed in an easier way than the wiggler lets you do so, and you dodge more items. its acceleration stat makes you get your normal speed in less time than a wiggler after you get hurt by a shock (for example). it did save me some times. strats are easier with it most of the time, and some NISCs are free (SGF, dDD). Though, the Mute City's one is kinda harder.

Then, what's the matter..? well it's, in fact, not about the stats, but more like about the confidence you get playing x combo.
Waluigi wiggler is something that everybody uses because it proved to be good enough by many great players. And that's the difference with scooty: not many people gave it a try. Yet there are still very good players using scooty, like Robel, Cynda, Nitroco, Sebas... So, if you don't feel confident about playing with it, then don't pick it. Otherwise, just keep in mind that it does not suck and you'll do good with it.

But don't forget that changing wiggler for scooty won't make your skills highly increase. Even if it does, it'll take some time. The differences are so negligible that it's just about the... confidence. But I already said that, right?
This is very helpful, I’m going to TT with both and see what I feel better with. Thank you for the help!
 

LeOsTyLe

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#6
Hello, when i prefer Waluigi + Scooty, because i like the faster MT charging speed, should i take a glider with i can reach the 3.0 weight tier (+weight +mt, - antigracity handling, - traction). Is reaching the same weight tier as the walugi + wiggler combo worth the lose in antigravity handling and traction? And @Tricky said, the normal 2.75 weigth can be bumped away on some tracks in the frist corner. Does my 3.0 weight scooty has now the same "bump away defence" as a 3.0 wiggler or does the wiggler's behavier is diffrent, because he have a bigger hitbox?

Edit: I made a test using this method:
and the bump behaviour between a 3.0 scooty / standard bike / wiggler is the same.
 
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